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Corey Lewandowski on his almost ‘Fistfight,’ with Gen. Kelly and why we all need to fight the swamp



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On Thursday’s episode of “The Sara Carter Show,” Senior Advisor Trump/Pence 2020 and Campaign Manager for Trump’s 2016 campaign Corey Lewandowski revealed a “fistfight” that almost happened outside the oval office with former White House Chief of Staff General John Kelly. Lewandowski said that Kelly blocked him from meeting with the President and that those insider stories are part of his new book co-written with his close confidante and former Deputy Campaign Manager for Trump’s 2016 campaign David Bossie.

I go and I fight for [President Trump] because he fights for us every single day, Corey Lewandowski

“I think I try and fight for the president every day,” Lewandowski told Sara. “And sometimes I fight on TV. Sometimes I fight in front of Congress in front of Jerry Nadler. And sometimes they get into a fistfight just outside the oval office with a retired four star marine. So like I fight all the time. And the reason I do it is they’re not doing what the President asked them to do. I go and I fight for him because he fights for us every single day.”

He continued, “So look, Trump America First is his fight for our country and me on television, or me outside the Oval Office getting into a fistfight with John Kelly. I say, ‘Hey, john, we can do this one of two ways. We can go and sit down and solve this, like two men in a room or I can take off my jacket, I can kick the dog crap out of you outside. I don’t care which one it is, I’ll let you decide.’

He said then “John decided he wanted to go in the room and sit down and have a conversation, which I thought was a good decision for him.”

Bossie added that he and Lewandowski are “just two hard-working guys that try to support this president every single day.” They said they understand the pulse of America and the concerns of real America and believe that the President has and will continue to champion the people of this country.

“It’s what we do. It’s what we’ve been doing for five years. We’re not going to stop for the next 34 days,” he added. “We’re gonna keep working hard. This President’s gonna win on election day because he is the hardest working man that either of us know and he is going to win because the issues are on his side.”

“Sara, this is a niche. This is a big what Ronald Reagan used to call bold. Colors, not pale pastels election, this is about higher taxes or lower taxes about more job-killing regulations or fewer,” said Bossie. “This is about open borders or border security. This is about anarchy in the streets and defunding the police, or about law and order. It’s about ending the endless wars. So that’s what Trump is about. That’s what President Trump’s about. And that’s why he’s gonna win because the American people are on his side of these issues.”

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EXCLUSIVE: Former Trump appointee explains an ‘America First Strategy’ in the ME



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The author interviewed Ellie Cohanim, one of the authors of the new book: “An America First Approach to US National Security.” Ellie is the former U.S. Deputy Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism under the Trump administration. She is currently a Senior Fellow with the Independent Women’s Forum focusing on Iran, Israel, and global antisemitism, and is a national security contributor for the Christian Broadcasting Network. In 2021, Ellie launched and hosted for Jewish News Syndicate 30 plus episodes of the show “Global Perspectives with Ellie Cohanim.” Ellie spent 15 years in media and NGO management before serving in the public sector. How would you define an “America First” strategy in the Middle East?

Cohanim: An America First strategy in the Middle East would seek to advance American national security interests in that region, while maintaining our status as THE global superpower. To do that, the US would ensure that our principal allies in the region, countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel, are economically and militarily strong, and that our adversaries in the region are deterred.

Postal: How has the United States’ standing in the Middle East differed between the Trump and Biden administrations?

Cohanim: Under President Trump, for four years we had peace, stability and prosperity in the Middle East/North Africa (MENA) region. Under President Biden, in just three tumultuous years there has been war in the region, which holds the potential for becoming a regional conflict and even a nuclear confrontation. Meanwhile, the US’ status in the region and the world has diminished due to Biden’s disastrous mishandling of the Afghanistan withdrawal, his emboldening of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and his weak response to Iranian attacks on our personnel and assets in the region. 


Postal: Do you think the United States and Israel are/were in a stronger position to deter Iran’s nuclear and territorial ambitions in Biden or Trump’s administration?

Cohanim: America’s position of strength has not changed under either administration vis-à-vis the Islamic Republic of Iran. What has changed is our Iran policy. Under President Trump’s administration, the US contained and constrained Tehran. Trump applied a “Maximum Pressure” sanctions campaign which left the Iranian Regime with only $4 billion in accessible foreign currency reserves by the end of his term, giving the Iranians less cash and less ability to fund their terror proxies and their nuclear program, and Trump eliminated Qassem Soleimani. While all President Biden needed to do was to continue implementing such successful policies, his administration instead did the exact opposite.  Under the Biden administration, Israel, our leading ally in the region, was attacked for the first time directly from Iranian soil. This was an unprecedented escalatory attack by the Iranian regime, and could only happen under the Biden administration.

Postal: In your chapter of the book, you discuss the weakening of US relations with Israel and Saudi Arabia under the Biden administration. How has the Biden administration affected the likelihood of future normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and deals between Israel and other Muslim countries (i.e., new Abraham Accords)?

Cohanim: The good news is that the Abraham Accords have withstood the test of multiple Hamas provocations against Israel, and now the current war. Despite numerous claims from the Biden administration regarding “successful” efforts to normalize ties between Saudi Arabia and Israel, I do not think that the Biden administration will be able to clinch such a deal. In the Middle East, people have a long memory. Saudi Arabia’s de-facto ruler Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) has not forgotten President Biden’s snub when he first came into office, and Biden’s incredibly poorly advised behavior towards the Crown Prince when he made his first visit to the Kingdom as president. The last thing the Crown Prince wants is to hand Biden his first foreign policy success with a Rose Garden peace deal ceremony. So, I do not believe President Biden can broker Saudi/Israeli normalization.

However, I am also convinced that it is a matter of “when” and not “if” such a peace deal will happen between those two countries, as it serves both of their interests to make such a deal. The Saudis understand better than anyone that it is the Islamic Republic of Iran that threatens the Kingdom’s security and stability, not Israel.

Postal: What do you think of the Biden administration’s latest statements withholding arms to Israel?

Cohanim: President Biden will go down in history for his abject moral failure in not standing by Israel while she fights a five-front war. Biden has shown his despicable personality for trying to keep his anti-Israel arms embargo concealed until he could first deliver a speech on the Holocaust. Biden’s behavior is despicable on so many levels.

Ultimately, Biden is betraying the American people. He came into office presenting himself as a “centrist Democrat,” but has proven repeatedly to be beholden to the radical, extremist, pro-Hamas wing of his party.

Postal: How does the Biden administration’s support of a Palestinian state differ from the Trump administration’s support of a Palestinian state under its Peace to Prosperity framework?

Cohanim: The Biden administration stated that they will “unilaterally recognize” a Palestinian state. What the borders of that state are and who would lead it, nobody knows. 

The Trump administration’s “Peace to Prosperity” was a detailed plan that was premised on the realities on the ground in Israel. The plan required that the Palestinians reach benchmarks proving a real desire to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors. It included over $50 billion in investment in the region, which would have been a road to prosperity for all. Perhaps most significantly, the Palestinian state envisioned under the Trump plan would have been demilitarized, the wisdom of which could not be more clear following the October 7 massacre and attack.

The author would like to thank Ellie Cohanim for participating in this interview.


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